Started by Dave Likeness, December 09, 2015, 04:00:51 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on February 20, 2016, 04:13:42 AMDavid Brooks (no raging "liberal", remember) has an op-ed column in The New York Times about the "wall." Some excerpts:"The number of illegal immigrants flowing into this country is dropping, not rising. The flow of total immigrants peaked in 2005 and has been dropping since. The share of immigrants coming from Latin America is falling sharply. Since 2008, more immigrants have come from Asia than Latin America, and the disparity is growing.""There are more Mexicans leaving the United States than coming in. According to the Pew Research Center, there was a net outflow of 140,000 from 2009 to 2014. If Trump builds his wall, he'll lock more Mexican immigrants in than he'll keep out.""Trump plays up the alleged threat of crime committed by immigrants. But the overall evidence is clear. Immigrants make American streets safer. Roughly 1.6 percent of immigrant males between ages 18 and 39 wind up incarcerated, compared with 3.3 percent of native-born American men of the same age. Among native-born men without a high school diploma, about 11 percent are incarcerated. Among similarly educated Mexican, Guatemalan and Salvadoran men here, only 2 or 3 percent get incarcerated.""One study of 103 cities between 1994 and 2004 found that violent crime rates decreased as the concentration of immigrants increased. Numerous studies have shown that a big share of the drop in crime rates in the 1990s is a result of the surge in immigration.""Trump plays up the threat of terrorism. But the real threat is that our border agencies spend so much time tracking down people who want to be gardeners that they don't have the resources to track down the people who want to be suicide bombers. Fighting terrorism by going after the whole swath of immigration policy is like fighting germs with a sledgehammer.""There's a reason Republicans from Reagan to Bush supported reasonably open immigration policies. They are and have always been good for America.""A new summary of the research from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine found that immigrants are integrating into society as well as ever. The bulk of the evidence shows that immigrants have a hugely positive effect on total American G.D.P. while having little effect on overall wages. The surge in Asian immigration will bring a gigantic number of highly skilled people, who end up with higher education levels than the American average, higher productivity levels and higher incomes. "And from this humble correspondent: The animus against immigrants is a combination of racism, paranoia, idiocy and misinformation. Certain politicians or would-be politicians hook these things and stir up unfounded fears, ride the sheet-tails of racism, and spread misinformation to preserve the idiocy and build their support from the worst and most erroneous feelings within us.
Quote from: George Erdner on February 20, 2016, 09:28:46 AMIs it not "reasonable" that any immigration policy includes a mandatory requirement that all who want to immigrate to America MUST do so in compliance with the law? Changing laws is how one deals with laws one believes are unreasonable. Ignoring them and ignoring the violation of them is not reasonable.
Quote from: Charles Austin on February 20, 2016, 12:47:53 PM Those words, Mr. Gale, are only intended for those who have a hatred of immigrants and those who buy in to the obscene rhetoric being used by Mr. Trump. If you don't, they don't apply to you.
Quote from: RDPreus on February 20, 2016, 02:04:14 PMThe wage for the working man hasn't kept pace with the cost of living, pressuring women who would rather care for their children to get jobs and consign the children to the care of day care centers.
Quote from: RDPreus on February 20, 2016, 02:41:34 PMThe reason jobs have gone overseas is because it costs too much to do business here in America.
Quote from: John Mundinger on February 20, 2016, 02:50:01 PMThe rest of the story is that corporations would rather abuse their employees than treat them like real people.
Quote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on February 20, 2016, 03:20:03 PMQuote from: John Mundinger on February 20, 2016, 02:50:01 PMThe rest of the story is that corporations would rather abuse their employees than treat them like real people.What an outrageous generalization. Feeling the bern, Mr. Mundinger?
Quote from: Steven W Bohler on February 20, 2016, 03:51:58 PMQuote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on February 20, 2016, 03:20:03 PMQuote from: John Mundinger on February 20, 2016, 02:50:01 PMThe rest of the story is that corporations would rather abuse their employees than treat them like real people.What an outrageous generalization. Feeling the bern, Mr. Mundinger?I don't know about that. I heard that almost 75% of the time spent in corporate boardrooms is devoted to figuring out more and better ways to abuse employees. Even if it hurts the company's bottom line. Because all executives and board members are, at heart, evil. By the way, the other 25% of time is spent twirling their handle-bar moustaches and doing their Snidely Whiplash impersonations.
Quote from: Rev Geminn on February 17, 2016, 11:03:05 PMYou see we take in all kinds of people, from the horribly corrupt to salt of the earth Midwesterners.