Started by truthseeker, October 07, 2015, 09:25:18 AM
Quote from: readselerttoo on October 07, 2015, 12:00:20 PMWhat is presumed in Romans 6 is that the baptized person lives in Christ's Body since Christ's Death is the person's death and Christ's Resurrection is the person's resurrection. Baptism places the person directly into Christ's Body and therefore in His narrative.
Quote from: racin_jason on October 07, 2015, 10:29:29 AMTruthSeeker, I encourage you to edit your post and insert the verses you are asking about, spacing things out to make it easier to read. Sure, we could just go look it up, but its the nature of online discussions that if you want people to participate on your thread, give them the content of what you are asking about.
Quote from: readselerttoo on October 07, 2015, 12:00:20 PMWhat is presumed in Romans 6 is that the baptized person lives in Christ's Body since Christ's Death is the person's death and Christ's Resurrection is the person's resurrection. Baptism places the person directly into Christ's Body and therefore in His narrative. A freed person is free only as long as he is in Christ. From the person's side it is a constant struggle full of anxiety because of the crucifixion of sin in the flesh.St. Paul encourages others to use exhortation as a means to give hope and comfort to those who are struggling with sin and the crucifixion of the flesh. The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. See also Hebrews 3:13.
Quote from: Weedon on October 07, 2015, 05:32:52 PMSeeker,This might be helpful in digging at some of the underlying questions. I wrote it some years ago:http://weedon.blogspot.com/2007/09/progression-in-sanctification.html
Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on October 08, 2015, 11:36:54 AMBy receiving salvation by God's grace through faith; it puts to death salvation by my works. "Sin" is the power that keeps turning us back to "my works" and away from God's work; moving from "it's about me" to "it's about God." Dead = I can do nothing. Raised from death = something that God does for us when we can do nothing for ourselves. "Slaves to righteousness" and "slaves to God" = Let God be God and reckon us righteous. Differently than we often look at "sin" as bad deeds; here it seems to be more of a power, e.g., self-centeredness that seeks to make us the center of our world rather than God. ......I think Paul is using terms, e.g., "sin" in ways different than we usually do as attitude and motivation more than outward acts.
Quote from: Weedon on October 08, 2015, 03:17:10 PMFreedom means what? The old sinful self likes to think freedom means doing whatever he chooses to do, whenever he chooses to do it. But this really isn't freedom; just slavery. Think Prodigal Son! Freedom truly ends up meaning having a Father who loves you, welcomes you, embraces you even in your utter unworthiness and throws a party to celebrate your homecoming. Freedom is being at home with Him, HAVING a home with Him. And so freedom ends up coinciding with gladly doing whatever He asks you to do - not to win that home, not to preserve your place in it, but because you know you have no right whatsoever to a place in it, and He wanted you anyway.