Is the torture report indicative that it is time for national repentance?

Started by Norman Teigen, December 10, 2014, 03:40:50 PM

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peter_speckhard

Quote from: Charles Austin on December 13, 2014, 12:54:24 PM
Not clever, Pastor Cottingham. Not helpful. Not anything. But not unexpected.
Have a nice day.
Almost exactly what I was going to write to your post of 12:30 yesterday, but then thought better of it. Wish you would have thought better of it in this case.

Charles Austin

Iowa-born. ELCA pastor, ordained 1967. Former journalist. Retired in Minneapolis. English major. Elitist snob? Probably.

LutherMan


Dave Likeness

Harvey's comparison between President Reagan and
President Obama as far as their public speaking is
concerned:

Obama came on the scene 6 years ago touting hope
and change.  His speeches had some style but no
substance.   As he told the American Indians in  the
state of Oklahoma, "If you like your medicine man,
then you can keep your medicine man."  That statement
has been called the biggest political lie of 2013.

Reagan was known for a core set of values that he embraced.
Perhaps his speeches lacked style, but they had substance.
His ability to deal with the Soviet Union and help bring about
its demise was done without any bullets. Gorby was afraid
that Reagan meant business and so the Berlin Wall came down.

Bottom Line:  Putin is not afraid of Obama as he retakes
the Ukraine illegally.


Brian Stoffregen

Quote from: Dave Likeness on December 15, 2014, 06:59:23 PM
Harvey's comparison between President Reagan and
President Obama as far as their public speaking is
concerned:

Obama came on the scene 6 years ago touting hope
and change.  His speeches had some style but no
substance.   As he told the American Indians in  the
state of Oklahoma, "If you like your medicine man,
then you can keep your medicine man."  That statement
has been called the biggest political lie of 2013.


In my understand, Obama's plan would have allowed us to keep our medicine man. The plan he wanted wasn't going to pass congress so it got modified (unfortunately in my opinion) into something that eventually passed that wasn't really what the President wanted, but something was better than nothing.



I think that George Sr's statement: "Read my lips: no new taxes" was as much or a greater political lie. Of course, the same argument can be made. He didn't raise taxes, congress did - against his wishes.
I flunked retirement. Serving as a part-time interim in Ferndale, WA.

Voelker

Quote from: LutherMan on December 15, 2014, 07:54:43 PM
Pew poll: Majority says CIA interrogation methods after 9/11 were justified, 51/29

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/12/15/pew-poll-majority-says-cia-interrogation-methods-after-911-were-justified-5129/
Are you suggesting that since a majority of the population thinks that torture is A-OK, that that makes it right? Interesting.

LutherMan

Quote from: WJV on December 15, 2014, 08:43:56 PM
Quote from: LutherMan on December 15, 2014, 07:54:43 PM
Pew poll: Majority says CIA interrogation methods after 9/11 were justified, 51/29

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/12/15/pew-poll-majority-says-cia-interrogation-methods-after-911-were-justified-5129/
Are you suggesting that since a majority of the population thinks that torture is A-OK, that that makes it right? Interesting.
No, just pointing out various viewpoints out there...

Donald_Kirchner

Quote from: WJV on December 15, 2014, 08:43:56 PM
Quote from: LutherMan on December 15, 2014, 07:54:43 PM
Pew poll: Majority says CIA interrogation methods after 9/11 were justified, 51/29

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/12/15/pew-poll-majority-says-cia-interrogation-methods-after-911-were-justified-5129/
Are you suggesting that since a majority of the population thinks that torture is A-OK, that that makes it right? Interesting.

It's interesting that you suggest what you do. I see nothing about torture in the poll questions.
Don Kirchner

"Heaven's OK, but it's not the end of the world." Jeff Gibbs

Voelker

Quote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on December 15, 2014, 10:24:33 PM
It's interesting that you suggest what you do. I see nothing about torture in the poll questions.
Doubly so that you don't see torture anywhere in those "interrogation methods" being polled about. Do notice that LutherMan didn't even blink at those methods being called such.

Donald_Kirchner

Quote from: WJV on December 15, 2014, 11:12:15 PM
Quote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on December 15, 2014, 10:24:33 PM
It's interesting that you suggest what you do. I see nothing about torture in the poll questions.
Doubly so that you don't see torture anywhere in those "interrogation methods" being polled about. Do notice that LutherMan didn't even blink at those methods being called such.

Perhaps because it's not mentioned?

Point being, don't assume.
Don Kirchner

"Heaven's OK, but it's not the end of the world." Jeff Gibbs

Voelker

Quote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on December 15, 2014, 11:46:15 PM
Quote from: WJV on December 15, 2014, 11:12:15 PM
Quote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on December 15, 2014, 10:24:33 PM
It's interesting that you suggest what you do. I see nothing about torture in the poll questions.
Doubly so that you don't see torture anywhere in those "interrogation methods" being polled about. Do notice that LutherMan didn't even blink at those methods being called such.

Perhaps because it's not mentioned?

Point being, don't assume.
Funny.

peter_speckhard

Quote from: WJV on December 16, 2014, 12:01:49 AM
Quote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on December 15, 2014, 11:46:15 PM
Quote from: WJV on December 15, 2014, 11:12:15 PM
Quote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on December 15, 2014, 10:24:33 PM
It's interesting that you suggest what you do. I see nothing about torture in the poll questions.
Doubly so that you don't see torture anywhere in those "interrogation methods" being polled about. Do notice that LutherMan didn't even blink at those methods being called such.

Perhaps because it's not mentioned?

Point being, don't assume.
Funny.
Do you think interrogating people with a "good cop, bad cop" routine, making them think their friends have already talked, intimidating them with a threatening demeanor, etc. is torture? It certainly can lead to severe mental anguish n some people, and probably in some cases walks a fine line or even crosses it. But the question, "Is using a good cop/bad cop routine torture?" is a different question than "Do you approve of good cop/bad cop interrogation?" which is a separate question still from "Do you approve of torture?" Therefore, it is entirely disingenuous to say that those respondents who said they approved of certain interrogation techniques therefore approve of torture. It is assumes an answer to a prior question that is in dispute. Several people in the poll of reasoned, "I approve of these interrogation techniques because I judge them not to be torture," which is completely different from thinking, "I approve of these techniques because torture is justified." 

Donald_Kirchner

This lays it all out. I recall when I first heard about the Democratic report that asserted that Bush obviously did not know about the use of the interrogation techniques that Bush talked all about it in his book. And now we know that Pelosi et al also knew all about it.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3945047047001/terrorists-predicted-liberal-media-backlash/?#sp=show-clips
Don Kirchner

"Heaven's OK, but it's not the end of the world." Jeff Gibbs

Harvey_Mozolak

Do you suppose that there is any argument among us that the incarnation was torture for God to enhance with ultimate perfection our humanity?    Harvey Mozolak
Harvey S. Mozolak
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