Started by Christopher Miller, December 02, 2011, 10:29:59 AM
QuoteNearly 70 members of Grace Lutheran Church, including a former pastor and former council presidents, are asking an Eau Claire County judge to intervene in a dispute over church affiliation.The group — through a civil suit filed this week in Eau Claire County Court — is asking a judge to declare that the longtime Eau Claire church remains solely affiliated with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and must be governed in a manner consistent with the church's constitution and the governing documents of the ELCA.The Grace Lutheran Church council voted last April to also join the more conservative Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ after a vote to disaffiliate with the ELCA failed.
Quote from: James S. Rustad on December 02, 2011, 01:56:26 PMHow long has it been since those worshiping at Amazing Grace contributed or communed at Grace? If it's been a year or more, they'd be candidates for removal from membership at my congregation (constitution and bylaws clearly define this as the standard).
Quote from: Coach-Rev on December 03, 2011, 09:55:41 AMNot going to tackle the Apostle Paul's admonition against lawsuits amongst Christians, eh Charles? Go read 1 Corinthians 6:1-8. I'll save you the trouble, and I'll post it here:If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints? 2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! 4 Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church! 5 I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? 6 But instead, one brother goes to law against another--and this in front of unbelievers!7 The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? 8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers.considering that they have been worshiping in a "SAW" or whatever its being called, for quite some time now, what would be the point of further destroying any unity, implied or real, going forward? How does this help the overall body of Christ?
Quote from: Charles_Austin on December 03, 2011, 10:30:58 AMCan we step back from the hogwash, the hokum and the crocodile tears? There is no "unity" at stake here. Of ELCA members, 99.95 percent will never hear of this lawsuit. And a good number of the .05 percent who might - repeat, might - hear of it will probably agree with the plaintiffs. As for the reputation of "the Church" at large, get real. The church's reputation is in more danger from financial scandals, sexual misconduct (and not only among Roman Catholics), partisan politics, and an inability to get the Gospel message clear than it is from one tiny lawsuit in one tiny congregation. And FWIW, Paul's admonition about not going to court had partially to do with plunging Christians into what Paul thought was the wrong kind of involvement with pagans and emperor worship.The biblically scrupulous LCMS just took a lawsuit all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, so they must have found a way around what might appear to be Paul's admonition.
Quote from: Dan Fienen on December 03, 2011, 10:01:23 AMWho in such a dispute would be trusted to mediate in a fair and open manner? Perhaps better would be to ask who would the various parties trust to mediate? The ELCA Bishop could well be considered a party to the dispute. Representatives from LCMC or even NALC would represent the interests of those groups and members of the congregation inclined toward those groups.Dan
Quote from: Evangel on December 03, 2011, 04:08:09 PMSee the LCMC list of congregations that are still affiliated with the ELCA as a for-instance.