"parish arrangement" as future policy of the ELCA?

Started by Coach-Rev, November 04, 2010, 01:11:21 PM

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George Erdner

Quote from: Dan Fienen on November 09, 2010, 05:18:47 PM
Perhaps they have served their purpose in the present (or recently past) form and it is time to look at them afresh and do some editing to make them better and more useful?

Dan

The truth is the truth. It shouldn't need editing to make it more useful. If, however, there is a belief that it might be phrased better, there's no need to take down the old page. The editing should be done off-line, and when the new file is ready, it's simply uploaded to replace and supersede the old. There's no reason to take a web page down to edit it. It's not like a painted sign that needs to be schlepped to the sign-painters' workshop for modification.

ptmccain

The news on the ELCA web site tells me that somebody at ELCA.ORG is reading this site, or is aware of it. Perhaps there is a mole here? Ah, the possibilities of intrigue are boundless.

8)

Charles_Austin

Get over yourself. There is nothing "secret" here (or on any internet site), and if I were a mover and shaker in ELCA official-dom, I'd not give this site more than a quick once-over.
Do you suppose the LCMS poohbahs monitor that John the Studfest site or whatever it's called? Or the other anti-Missouri brotherhoods?
On the other hand, I suppose they might because they could catch an LCMSer writing something treif and then...  ;)

Steven Tibbetts

Quote from: Coach-Rev on November 09, 2010, 01:07:30 PM

Hmm, interesting.  I went to pull up the link in order to post it here, only to find that it has been removed, under their "dig deeper" section.  anyone interested, email me and I'll give you a copy of what USED to be up there as late as last week.

See this new topic.

Pax, Steven+
The Rev. Steven Paul Tibbetts, STS
Pastor Zip's Blog

G.Edward

Quote from: David Norland on November 06, 2010, 09:57:55 PM
On September 1, 2010 Bishop Stuck removed me from the ELCA roster, because I had rostered with LCMC.  Funny how the ECP rostered folk can remain dual rostered, isn't it?

Well, the ECP was never a real roster in the sense that it was created and maintained by a real church body.  That it was allowed and in some synods condoned is shame on the bishops.

Steven Tibbetts

Quote from: Gregory Davidson on November 09, 2010, 10:25:42 PM

Well, the ECP was never a real roster in the sense that it was created and maintained by a real church body.


What makes "a real church body?" 

The formation, ordination, and continued support of pastors is certainly an indicator of "a real church body."  What does ELM not have that is necessary for "a real church body?"

I know.  With the reception of most of the ELM rostered folk as ELCA pastors, that ship (whatever you call it) has probably already sailed as far as the ELCA is concerned. 

Christe eleison, Steven+
(Who was saying, "It's the ecclesiology, stupid!" in 1993.)
The Rev. Steven Paul Tibbetts, STS
Pastor Zip's Blog

George Erdner

Quote from: The Rev. Steven P. Tibbetts, STS on November 09, 2010, 11:05:52 PM
Quote from: Gregory Davidson on November 09, 2010, 10:25:42 PM

Well, the ECP was never a real roster in the sense that it was created and maintained by a real church body.


What makes "a real church body?" 

The formation, ordination, and continued support of pastors is certainly an indicator of "a real church body."  What does ELM not have that is necessary for "a real church body?"

I know.  With the reception of most of the ELM rostered folk as ELCA pastors, that ship (whatever you call it) has probably already sailed as far as the ELCA is concerned. 

Christe eleison, Steven+
(Who was saying, "It's the ecclesiology, stupid!" in 1993.)

Is a "church body" equivalent to a "denomination"? If not, what's the difference?

Coach-Rev

Quote from: The Rev. Steven P. Tibbetts, STS on November 09, 2010, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: Coach-Rev on November 09, 2010, 01:07:30 PM

Hmm, interesting.  I went to pull up the link in order to post it here, only to find that it has been removed, under their "dig deeper" section.  anyone interested, email me and I'll give you a copy of what USED to be up there as late as last week.

See this new topic.

Pax, Steven+

At first glance, that appears to be the entire thing.  3 people have asked, and I just forwarded it to them via email, for copies direct from the website.  I also included some info on "The Bible" and "The Universal Scope of Salvation in Christ" as well.

totaliter vivens

Quote from: The Rev. Steven P. Tibbetts, STS on November 09, 2010, 11:05:52 PM
Quote from: Gregory Davidson on November 09, 2010, 10:25:42 PM

Well, the ECP was never a real roster in the sense that it was created and maintained by a real church body.


What makes "a real church body?" 

The formation, ordination, and continued support of pastors is certainly an indicator of "a real church body."  What does ELM not have that is necessary for "a real church body?"

I know.  With the reception of most of the ELM rostered folk as ELCA pastors, that ship (whatever you call it) has probably already sailed as far as the ELCA is concerned. 

Christe eleison, Steven+
(Who was saying, "It's the ecclesiology, stupid!" in 1993.)

Steven:

ELM never had congregations. So in that, they failed the most basic test of being a church: communities gathered around Word and Sacraments.

SPS

A Catholic Lutheran

Hey wait a minute...

Isn't Richard "dual Rostered" with the Universal Life Church or some such outfit... :o

Iquiring minds want to know! ;D ;D ;D

Pax Christi;
Pr. Jerry Kliner, STS

Richard Johnson

The Rev. Richard O. Johnson, STS

G.Edward

I hear the Universal Life Church has a group policy...


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