Meet the Press

Started by ptmccain, August 12, 2007, 08:42:00 AM

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ptmccain

The press this morning contains many stories on the CWA Action yesterday urging its bishops to refrain from, or demonstrate restraint, in disciplining gay clergy in partnered relationships. Meet the press:

Los Angeles Times
Headline: Lutherans Vote Not to Punish Gay Members
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-lutheran12aug12,1,5002913.story?coll=la-headlines-nation

Cleveland Plain Dealer
Lutherans back gay clergy who are not celibate
http://www.cleveland.com/living/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/living-0/1186919938114960.xml&coll=2

Chicago Sun-Times
A Huge Victory for Gay Clergy
http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/religion/507255,CST-NWS-luth12.article

Chicago Tribune
Lutherans Ask Bishop to Keep Gay Clergy in Ministry
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-lutheranaug12,1,1736466.story

Reuters News
Lutherans to Allow Pastors in Gay Relationships
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1131383720070811

Southern Voice: Gay Newspaper
Rebel Atlanta church avoids repercussions over gay pastor
http://www.southernvoice.com/2007/8-10/news/localnews/7310.cfm

Chicago Sun-Times
Gay Cleryged OKed by Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/religion/506716,luth081107.article

Sauk-Valley Newspapers
Group Says It Wants to Retain Gay Clergy
http://www.saukvalley.com/articles/2007/08/12/news/state/323954944109159.txt

Arizona Daily Star - Online Version
Lutherans: Don't Defrock Gay Clergy
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/196021

Austin-American Statesman
Lutheran Group Urges Bishops Not to Discipline Gay Clergy
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/nation/08/12/0812lutherans.html

Christianity Today Online
Outrage as US Lutherans Ease Rules on Pastors in Gay Relationships
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/outrage.as.us.lutherans.ease.rules.on.pastors.in.gay.relationships/12230.htm

Kansas City's Gay Newspaper: CAMP
Restrain Discipline on Partnered Lutheran Gay Clergy
http://www.campkc.com/campkc-content.php?Page_ID=619

Contra Costa Times
Lutherans Take Historic Vote on Gay Clergy
http://www.contracostatimes.com/religion/ci_6606561

Daily Southtown Chicago
Lutherans Allow Clergy in Same-Sex Relationships
http://www.contracostatimes.com/religion/ci_6606561

Milwaukee Journal
ELCA Tempers Gay Clergy Stance
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=645629

Associated Press
Lutheran National Assembly Asks Bishops to Keep Gay Clergy in Ministry
http://www.wandtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6918890

Lutherans Urged to Accept Gay Clergy
http://www.onelocalnews.com/chandlernews-dispatch/stories/index.php?action=fullnews&id=146024

Shortnews.com Germany
Lutherans Allow Pastors to be in Gay Relationships
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=64192


ROB_MOSKOWITZ

The Fox news one is the most interesting.  It even lifts up the LCMS for comparison.  ;)

Charles_Austin

Pastor McCain has finally posted something I find useful, a good rundown of the press coverage of part of our assembly.

Charles_Austin

Well, maybe not so useful. Most of the links are just to papers that ran the AP story.

ptmccain

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Quote from: Charles_Austin on August 12, 2007, 03:31:38 PM
Well, maybe not so useful. Most of the links are just to papers that ran the AP story.

The interesting point for me is to read the headlines. Those claiming that what happened at the ELCA's CWA is really not much of anything, that nothing has really changed, etc. will have to help the press understand this, for professional journalists reading reports from the CWA lead them to the conclusions stated in their headlines, which, for the most part, contradict the "spin" that "nothing really has changed."

scott3

Quote from: ptmccain on August 12, 2007, 04:32:09 PM
Quote from: Charles_Austin on August 12, 2007, 03:31:38 PM
Well, maybe not so useful. Most of the links are just to papers that ran the AP story.

The interesting point for me is to read the headlines. Those claiming that what happened at the ELCA's CWA is really not much of anything, that nothing has really changed, etc. will have to help the press understand this, for their reading of the reports from the CWA lead them to the conclusions stated in their headlines.

It also shows that the issue impacts all who bear the name "Lutheran".  I wonder how this is being portrayed in Kenya?  Hmmm.  Will have to do some digging...

ptmccain

Yes, unfortunately when the name "Lutheran" gets attached to these kind of things we all get a black eye.

Hopefully The LCMS communications department will issue clarifying statements and responses.

Richard Johnson

Quote from: ptmccain on August 12, 2007, 04:36:11 PM
Yes, unfortunately when the name "Lutheran" gets attached to these kind of things we all get a black eye.

Hopefully The LCMS communications department will issue clarifying statements and responses.

And, of course, that works both ways; I've plenty of times had to assure people visiting our congregation, or calling to acquire about it, that we're not part of "that Missouri Synod." (Usually this is because of a bad experience they've had with a particularly intransigent pastor.)
The Rev. Richard O. Johnson, STS

ptmccain

Fair enough Richard. People who do not agree with the doctrine and practice of The LCMS would want to make sure they are not attending a LCMS church.

The point here, which frankly is always unavoidable, is that the media lumps all Lutherans together and, understandably really, never distinguishes clearly enough. Some of the headlines do indicate that the reference is to the ELCA.

It just is the way it goes, but it is still frustrating for us.

Charles_Austin

Pastor McCain writes (re the "lumping" of Lutherans together):
It just is the way it goes, but it is still frustrating for us.

I comment:
Good. Now you know how we felt when your district president was suspended because he took part in a memorial service for victims of 9/11. That slopped over to ELCA Lutherans, too, and we had to explain: "that's not us!"

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