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Your Turn / Re: Justice and the role of government
August 26, 2022, 10:11:49 AM
And then there are many congress folks who are just absolutely appalled at the one-time student debt forgiveness of $10,000 but that there was nothing untoward in getting their PPP loans forgiven of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. They say nothing of all the others who took advantage of PPP loan forgiveness.
Your Turn / Re: Justice and the role of government
August 25, 2022, 08:05:26 PM
Would there be any similarity in student loan debt forgiveness and the massive bailouts of large corporations?
Your Turn / Re: Roe v. Wade overturned?
July 11, 2022, 08:17:16 PM
I find it curious that no one so far has mentioned that President Biden has had a life-long problem of stuttering. Through extensive speech therapy I am sure that he has had to learn to speak in a very measured way in order not to trip up. He would also be the first to say that he still stutters. You can well imagine the bullying he must have gone through and that he was made fun of. Would that include those of us here who like to say that he is demented? I know what I am talking about at least because I have a "foreign accent" that gets met with derision from people of all ages.
Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
June 29, 2022, 08:11:29 PM
I still don't understand why there is resistance to the vaccine. It is estimated that as many as 20,000,000 lives have been saved. I guess it is still this Me, Myself and I crap.
So these enlightened members of the Lambeth Conference from several countries in Africa are quite OK with the harsh punishments imposed upon Gay people in their countries? In Uganda for example it can be anywhere from seven years imprisonment to life. I am not impressed.
A quote from Pastor Speckhard in this thread: "Look at how the rainbow symbol was hijacked by haters of the Creator."

Honestly Pastor Speckhard, that is a very hateful statement. Is it any wonder that so many LGBT people, including myself, who are under the rainbow umbrella feel disenfranchised from the Church when we hear crap like that. I guess for some people the Gospel is not for everyone. It is incredibly sad that so many LGBT people are leaving the Church in droves with scars so deep that they are never erased.
Your Turn / Re: Roe v. Wade overturned?
May 04, 2022, 10:28:25 AM
I do not like abortion but as a cisgender male, I am also of the opinion that I would be way out of my league to make a decision on whether a woman should get an abortion or not. I wished that Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas, Brent Kavanaugh, and Neil Gorsuch thought likewise. Thrown into the court at the very tail end of the Trump presidency and with no juridical experience, Amy Coney Barrett was predictable. (I only mention this because Barrett hasn't had time to find her way with limited experience. The author of the Roe v. Wade opinion was Associate Justice Harry Blackmun who was a Republican appointed by Richard Nixon. How's that for a kick in the pants?) It should be noted also that both Brent Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch have been caught in their duplicity given that they affirmed that Roe v. Wade was the law of the land. All you have to do is ask both Republican senators Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski who voted to affirm on that basis.
As with many, on both sides of the fence, abortion is an all-or-nothing issue. There is extremism in both camps but the party on the right can take the cake when Cassie Smedile, Executive Director of America Rising Pro-Trump PAC, on Fox News recently said that Democrats are advocating for the right to have an abortion beyond the birth of the child. Ask anyone what that could be, I am pretty sure that most people would call that murder. This kind of rhetoric wiles up a lot of people who don't wear their thinking caps very well and is of course, very irresponsible.
I think Sister Joan Chitister, a Roman Catholic nun, said it very succinctly: I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth.
Pastor Speckhard, how does your definition of sodomy get narrowed down to homoerotic anal penetration? Some straight people engage in it too. Oral sex by some is considered sodomy. You ask ten people what sodomy is and you get ten different answers. It's like it is in Leviticus, pick and choose what you like and don't like and God help those who pick differently.
Pastor Speckhard, quoting from one of your posts above, "They have always known or suspected that sodomy was sinful or immoral,...", the word sodomy is archaic and besides that, no one seems to know exactly what it means. If one of the old definitions is applied, then it is not limited to homosexuals—and with any non-coital acts, nearly everyone is a Sodomite. Then there is the argument as to what was the sin of the Twin Cities in the Old Testament. I've read it a million times and I agree with those who say the sin was inhospitality.
Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
March 01, 2022, 07:57:09 PM
"Evidence that people's doubts are sometimes perfectly justified,..." after over 900,000 people are dead in the US?
Your Turn / Re: Lutheran Architecture
January 16, 2022, 08:32:24 PM
This doesn't have much to do with architecture although I can add an observation in this discussion.
The church that I grew up in is undoubtedly one of the most beautiful in my hometown. It does have a few liturgical quirks which I've never seen elsewhere. In the center of the altar is a missal stand that is always, and I repeat, always empty. I've never seen a book on it. When there is communion, the patens, chalices, etc. are always on the side of the altar. The pastor goes to the side of the altar to say the Verba and makes the sign of the cross over the elements. Has anyone ever seen this before?
Again, I say that it is one of the most beautiful churches I've ever seen, if I may say so, but its architectural integrity was most severely compromised when the church decided that they needed a larger narthex—why, I don't know. An architectural firm which I think did not care one hoot about anything but lining its pockets with money drew up plans for a new narthex which made the church completely asymetrical and it now looks like a Las Vegas showroom with sofas and easy chairs, etc. The new narthex was built along the entire side of the church building completely burying over the beautiful stain glass windows. Later special lighting had to be installed so people could see the windows from the inside. On the narthex side the windows were boarded up as it was completely useless. The showroom's decor is all pastel in color. I was not around when all this was happening but I do remember that my parents were vehemently against this atrocity. I have a dim view of church architects as the church that I was a member of back in the East contracted a firm to draw up plans. Fortunately, it never got past the committee as the plans were so utterly atrocious. Caveat emptor big time around something like this. 
Your Turn / Re: ELCA Transgender Bishop in the News
December 28, 2021, 08:20:42 PM
Good heavens, Pastor Morris, you are so off base that I don't even know where to begin.

Many LGBTQ kids are so bullied that some go on to end their lives. Society's disdain of LGBTQ people can be so profound that they carry scars that never go away. I was bullied by both students and teachers, yes, teachers, but by God's grace I was able to overcome this abuse and go on to live a moderately productive and happy life. Once I understood my own homosexuality I never hid it.

I simply do not know where you get this "peer" pressure to be something that a person is not. Locker rooms are the same now as they were 50 and 60 years ago when I was coming up. They are not fun places for a Gay person to hang out with so much toxic masculinity to prove that one is not a fag. Statistically it is considered that maybe one out of ten (and that might be on the high end) are in the LGBTQ spectrum. So how does this work with nine out of 10 people all in some kind of a cabal to recruit kids to the "other" side?

There is much more awareness nowadays of gender dysphoria whereas in my time coming up, it was completely unknown except in a couple of those individuals who were probably seen as not much better than circus freaks. So, today there may be much more expressions from certain individuals because there is a name for it and that with physical and extensive psychological counseling, it is seen by many as a correction. Again, there is no recruitment or peer pressure or concerted effort that some think is more prevalent nowadays. Just count the number of dead of those who have chosen to end their lives.
Your Turn / Re: ELCA Transgender Bishop in the News
December 27, 2021, 08:37:08 PM
I, as a 73-year old Gay "pervert" (according to some of you), have never in my entire life seen or sensed any kind of "recruitment" either in my wide circle of Gay friends or in the Trans community. You cannot recruit a person to switch to the "other side." There is no campaign of any sort. You simply cannot make a person do something they don't want to do; or be something that they don't want to be. Where do some of you come up with this crap? There are a few indiscriminate Gay people who may act upon another person against their will, but that is criminal activity just as it would be in any straight circumstance.
Your Turn / Re: ELCA Transgender Bishop in the News
December 25, 2021, 08:19:13 PM
This would not be a problem in German with its Sie, sie, sie (you, they, she/it).
Your Turn / Re: Coronavirus news
December 16, 2021, 09:02:57 AM
Maybe I don't understand the concept of natural immunity very well, but I am assuming that if everyone were to contract COVID19 and some get well, doesn't that still leave millions upon millions (just in the US we are approaching a million) dead in its wake? No thanks. I will keep up with the recommended vaccines and boosters if need be and will continue to wear my mask in public and hope and wish that my neighbor will do the same.
Incidentally, some people love to play with numbers. "Oh, it's only .0010% of the population" or some such. But numbers or statistics don't go over very well with someone who has lost a family member or dear friend to COVID19. Doesn't it deflect from the seriousness of this deadly virus?
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