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Messages - Timothy Schenks

Your Turn / Re: Gun Control Again
November 08, 2017, 03:24:16 AM
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on October 10, 2017, 09:14:58 PM
Here's a bump stock in action.

I think I see the legal difference between this and an automatic weapon.
I do not understand why one is legal and the other is prohibited.

Bump fire of semi-automatic weapons is still one pull of the trigger per one round of fire, so allowed by the ATF. Automatic is multiple shots per one pull of the trigger.

It was apparently a redneck YouTube novelty for years. I wasn't aware of until maybe a year ago, but I was never interested in trying it because you can't hit anything with it (unless firing into a crowd of people).
Your Turn / Re: Gun Control Again
November 08, 2017, 03:18:34 AM
Quote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on October 08, 2017, 12:01:48 AM
I'm asking you.

Furthermore, if it were legal, you're going to monitor every US citizen's downloads? Or just gun owners? How does that work...legally?

I wonder about that too. You can bump-fire with a stick of wood, or a finger.
Your Turn / Re: Gun Control Again
November 08, 2017, 02:53:30 AM
Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on October 04, 2017, 11:25:58 AM

I remember a long-ago essay by Martin Marty who stated that before prayer in schools was outlawed, 80% of the California schools didn't have prayer.

I attended Lutheran and public schools in Methobapticostal Bible Belt Land before prayer in schools was outlawed, and I never heard or saw a prayer at my public school. Nowadays it's pretty common...local huddles of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes have "Fields of Faith" gatherings, etc.
Quote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on November 07, 2017, 06:31:54 PM
That was real helpful, Mr. Schenks.   ::)  Stop back in a few years and help us out again.

Whatever, Pr. Kirchner.
Quote from: Dave Benke on October 31, 2017, 05:23:33 PM
Quote from: RDPreus on October 31, 2017, 05:01:04 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on October 31, 2017, 04:33:34 PM
Those of us who have read, admittedly from the outside, the biographical details about Pastor Preus,  might conclude that he is generally unhappy in whatever church body he may happen to be in And feels compelled to "take on" and challenge key aspects of that church body, whatever church body it may be.
Other LCMS people here see the group in question as practically schismatic. He and his two sons apparently do not.
But my observation from the outside might be in error.

Rev. Austin, I think your "observation" is not really an observation at all, but rather a judgment.  I am very happy in the LCMS and I was also happy in the ELS until I got kicked out for pointing out that their adopted doctrinal statement asserted human opinions as divine doctrine.  As far as the ACELC is concerned, I am not a member and I don't intend to ask my congregations to join, but I respect people who have the courage of their convictions to speak out.  To suggest that they should leave the LCMS just because they have some criticisms of her is rather unbrotherly, in my opinion.

At a certain point, you were apparently unhappy with the LCMS, because you left for the ELS.  You omitted that detail.  Secondly, the question raised was not that the ACELCers must leave.  That's an item that's been under consideration for a period of time including the involvement of ecclesiastical supervisors because of what Don and many others termed their divisive behaviors.  I'm not in the ecclesiastical supervision line any more, but others including the President of the LCMS brought their behavior into question.  "Some criticisms" were deemed to have elevated to the level of schismatic behavior. 

But the question here was why wouldn't they leave on their own steam to form a new entity?  Others have, and seem satisfied.

Dave Benke

Pr. Benke, I'm not going to go over your own notoriety/divisive behavior here, but you should be the last one to make any suggestions like this.
Quote from: jebutler on October 30, 2017, 04:00:19 PM
With their statements of what the authors "confess" and "reject", as well as their summary theses, it strikes me that this is a new confession to which they expect others to subscribe. It certainly doesn't read like a document for discussion. Does it strike anyone else that way?

The entire Koinonia process was to be in a confess/reject format like the Formula of Concord, as proposed by Pres. Harrison in his It's Time paper.
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on October 30, 2017, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: Pr. Don Kirchner on October 30, 2017, 12:15:51 PM
Quote from: SomeoneWrites on October 30, 2017, 12:09:24 PM
The thesis attempts to clarify [the SC.]  How is it inconsistent?

No, it does not. The thesis adds to it. See the "Charles" example.

Thank you, I'm asking you to unpack it for me.  It is clear I'm not understanding you.  Rereading so far has not helped me understand further.

I'm not sure either. I come back every few years and Pr. Kirchner is still either ranting at the ACELC or at Pr. Rolf Preus.
Your Turn / Re: Installation Question
November 07, 2017, 06:12:51 PM
Quote from: Dave Benke on October 05, 2017, 12:21:16 PM
Quote from: The Rev. Steven P. Tibbetts, STS on October 05, 2017, 11:52:31 AM
The rubrics of the Common Service and Lutheran Book of Worship state the color red for ordination and the color of the season for installation.

Pax, Steven+

Thanks.  I agree with this, however:

I didn't want to diss the Missouri Synod.  The LCMS answers it this way when it comes to "red:"  (on its website) Additional uses of red are Reformation Sunday; Holy Cross Day (Sept. 14); on such festive occasions as dedications, anniversaries of a congregation and its physical structure; festive days celebrating the office of the public ministry, such as ordination and installation. 
So they link ordination and installation both to red. 

Having just returned from a very lovely "red" installation, it's going to continue to be an adiaphoron, and it should not be a matter of high dudgeon.  But if there's a desire to make a distinction between ordination and installation, then that liturgical color choice is one way for that distinction to be noticed.

Dave Benke

I've seen some installations in Missouri use the color of the season if it's during the Divine Service, and red if it's a separate service later on in the day.
Quote from: Charles Austin on October 30, 2017, 04:49:09 PM
So how "huge " are your concerns about the arrogant egoism of the ACELCers? Others here say they ain't anything t worry about. Should I use them as an example of LCMSism or not?

Fraternal admonition is not arrogant egoism, and apparently no one worries about them except you.
Quote from: Steven W Bohler on October 06, 2017, 03:53:44 PM
Dr. Benke,

Why not make ALL those district conglomerations you mentioned at the same time?  Why add Montana and Wyoming first?  Why the Dakotas second?

It would be easier to dissolve the districts in the reverse order of creation. Put the Missouri, Mid-south etc. districts back into the original Western District and so forth
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