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Your Turn / Re: Adam and Eve
February 20, 2023, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: Jamison E. Painter, MA on February 18, 2023, 08:22:27 PM
....This all being stated, WHERE is the Garden of Eden now? WHERE are the Angels garding it? I think they are still in Turkey, probably on a plateau. Can we find them by looking? I don't know. Maybe God has done MORE than he tells us in Scripture. Maybe they are in HIS dimension, what we might call the 4th Dimension. This is the best conclusion to which my good friend and I could come. And that, seems to be that, in my mind at least.

Where is the Garden of Eden now?

Independence, Mo.
Your Turn / Re: Convention Delegate
December 12, 2022, 09:18:14 AM
Quote from: Jeremy_Loesch on December 11, 2022, 09:10:57 PM
And if you think Boulevard is a local KC brewery, well, sort of. They sold out years ago and are a corporate brewery. They still make fine products- Tank 7 and Bob's Octoberfest are my favorites of theirs.

If you are not into beer, J. Rieger and Co is a fine distiller of whiskey.


There's always KC Bier Co.  You can hit up their Bierhalle and Biergarten and enjoy the Gem?tlichkeit.
Your Turn / Re: Whatever happened to Molech?
November 14, 2022, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: Charles Austin on November 13, 2022, 07:21:35 PM
At the Episcopal church I attended today, an ordained Lutheran preached and presided and Beloved Wife and this humble correspondent were in the pews (chairs, actually). Of course we received the Sacrament.
"Idle curiosity" is a dangerous pit? Then I guess it's a good thing that my curiosity is very busy.

Yes - "Idle curiosity" is a dangerous pit:

"...just as our brains like empty calories from junk food, they can overvalue information that makes us feel good but may not be useful–what some may call idle curiosity."
     -- Prof. Ming Hsu, UC Berkely
Your Turn / Re: Culture Wars at a Library
September 20, 2022, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: Rev. Edward Engelbrecht on September 20, 2022, 07:36:47 AM
Yet again:

I wonder how many books flagged as "banned" here are actually what I consider "age restricted".  Our school district has multiple K-2nd grade and multiple 3-6th grade schools, 1 middle school and 1 high school. The graphic novel "Maus" can only be found in the middle and high school libraries (and is used in one of the High School AP English classes).
Your Turn / Re: St. Paul's Lutheran HS-- Concordia, MO
September 01, 2022, 02:29:20 PM
Quote from: John_Hannah on September 01, 2022, 11:25:19 AM
....When I lived in Concordia there was a tiny Methodist Church which seemed run down as though not used by many. Then there was the huge Lutheran Church, which is where as the town's name suggests, everyone around belonged. Now there are Baptist and Mormon churches, large and well kept. I don't know if the Mormon is Reorganized; after all Kansas City is close by. Jim Butler, do you know?

Peace, JOHN

Well, the Garden of Eden IS in Independence, MO....
Quote from: Rev. Edward Engelbrecht on September 01, 2022, 06:41:18 AM
Any counsel on preparing teens for the event? What ages are the target audience?

From what I recall, the target audience is basically those that have completed confirmation (although even non-Lutherans can attend with the Pastor's approval).  There's no strict age limit.

If you don't get a lot of responses here,  there's a "Contact us" function on the HT website where I'm sure you can get answers to these and any other questions.

Quote from: Rev. Edward Engelbrecht on August 28, 2022, 06:11:45 AM
I see that Higher Things is scheduling a conference for July 2023 (see link below). I was thinking of taking youth from our congregation. I wonder whether anyone else has attended these conferences and could describe the experience or give counsel on how to prepare teens.

Most (if not all) of the links on this page (like the FAQ and event policies) all state "Coming Soon".   You can check the 2022 conference web page to get an idea of what these are.

I'd note that while the conference is primarily geared for middle school/high schoolers, there are opportunities for college students as well (it's in the FAQ).  Our youngest had an opportunity to do this his college freshman year, and really enjoyed it. 
Your Turn / Re: United List…Here We Go
August 25, 2022, 01:49:21 PM
Quote from: Dave Likeness on August 25, 2022, 12:58:34 PM
LCMS Presidential elections can be full of drama and suspense.

Here are 3 of them which can be classified as surprises:

In 1969, Jack Preus defeated incumbent Oliver Harms by less than 5 votes.

In 1992, Al Barry defeated incumbent Ralph Bohlmann by 12 votes.

In 2001, with no incumbent on the ballot, Gerald Kieschnick won by 18 votes.

I thought President Harrison's win in 2010 was a surprise - especially considering President Kieschnick's success with the BRTF proposals.
Your Turn / Re: Justice and the role of government
August 25, 2022, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on August 25, 2022, 12:03:55 PM
On the news this morning, it was pointed out that these are government-backed loans. When students default on them, the tax payers end up paying for them anyway. I know that our sons had such loans (which they have paid back,) but they also had other personal loans that were not backed by the government (and whose interest rates were considerably higher).

I think students (and future students) with these loans would be better served if, rather then paying off the debt, the government reduced the interest rates to 0%.
Quote from: Charles Austin on August 19, 2022, 03:47:24 AM
Pro-choice people in the LC-MS, lay or clergy. How do they fare?
Those in the LCMS favoring female pastors. Can they speak up? Propose memorials?
LCMS Advocates of communion fellowship with ELCA or admitting non-Lutherans to communion. Are they accepted?
LCMS people rejecting the "pope as anti-Christ" language in the confessions. OK or not?
"Liberal" Bible scholars in the LCMS, lay or clergy. How are they doing on issues of creation or historicity of scripture stories?
LCMS folk who accept same-sex marriage or similar partnerships. Welcome? Or not?
Those - lay or clergy - who don't accept CTCR declarations as the final authority for policy or practice. Are they OK?

Google "Appeal to Hypocrisy"
Your Turn / Re: Roe v. Wade overturned?
August 14, 2022, 09:46:06 PM
Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on August 14, 2022, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: ghp on August 14, 2022, 05:31:00 PM
Quote from: peter_speckhard on August 14, 2022, 05:12:18 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on August 14, 2022, 04:07:45 PM
Because The Ex remains the head of the party. Because he and his followers seek public office. Because what he says and does influences others.
Nothingburger? No. That's Hunter Biden's laptop. You folks got all sweat over that. Why?
So? Why shouldn't they seek public office? Is it really so intolerable to you that Republicans should seek office?

I don't care one way or the other about whatever is on Hunter Biden's laptop in itself; I already know the guy is a scumbag to the core, and he obviously sells political influence via his utterly corrupt father. I don't need an investigation of his laptop to demonstrate that much to any reasonable person. The reason conservatives focus on his laptop is because of how clearly it shows media bias and the corruption of our institutions. There is no comparable phenomenon to explain why you are incessantly hot and bothered by something Trump did.

Hunter's laptop also clearly shows, aside from the individual depravity (which is, generally speaking, neither here nor there, beyond the fact that it makes him vulnerable to outside influences who might could use that as a way to influence his VP/POTUS father), that influence peddling involving the former VP/current POTUS with national security unfriendly entities like Ukraine and China occurred.

So, beyond what reasons Peter gives (which are both clear and objectively true/provable), it is clear that from a legal perspective, Hunter's laptop shows that he's dirty and he's pulled his dad down into the muck with him. If there was this much hard evidence for "Russiagate" then Trump would've already been tried and convicted (but there wasn't, and he wasn't - it has largely been exposed as a fever dream that helped achieve the goal of torpedoing Trump's reelection...).

If there was so much hard evidence against Hunter (or Hilary, for that matter,) then they would have been tried and convicted (but there wasn't and they weren't).

Isn't Hunter Biden still under federal investigation?
Your Turn / Re: Kathryn Tanner books
August 14, 2022, 10:06:35 AM
Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on August 14, 2022, 01:13:43 AM
Quote from: Dan Fienen on August 13, 2022, 10:28:39 PM
I will state with considerable confidence that the Bible contains no laws about greenhouse gasses. But it does talk about being good stewards of God's blessings, the Lordship of God over all things, and being concerned about our neighbor's welfare.That should g8ve us a good start at developing an understanding of what being good stewards might mean and good neighbor's in the interconnectedness of life in the world and ecosystems.

It also says that God so loved the world.

κόσμος can certainly refer to the entire universe or planet earth. Much of Christ's work takes on a new perspective when κόσμος in phrases like "Savior of the world" is understood as "the universe" or "this planet."
John 3:16?

Talk about putting a period where a comma should be....
Quote from: Charles Austin on August 10, 2022, 10:39:37 PM
Good grief! The issue is who did we throw out not what they might have done.

I've never thrown out anyone — neither have my brothers or sisters (and I'm willing to bet you never have, either).  It's not about what we have done.  It never has been. 

But if you're feeling guilty, I'm sure you can find a Dakota Sioux couple that wouldn't mind moving into your place.
Your Turn / Re: Culture Wars at a Library
August 06, 2022, 09:51:06 AM
Quote from: Charles Austin on August 06, 2022, 08:08:15 AM
Silly, just silly; and another example of how some schools simply panic over any kind of criticism.
And an example of how hardline groups in the country attempt to control the spread of information.
These efforts actually take "control" of what kids read away from the parents.
The "warning" labels are a joke. What they actually say is: "this is bad; you should not read this!"

I agree.  Remember the PMRC warnings back in the 80's?
Your Turn / Re: Update On Vacant LCMS Parishes
August 03, 2022, 06:41:36 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on August 03, 2022, 02:43:40 PM
I truly "enjoyed" home communion visits. The people were glad to see me; they wanted and appreciated what I had to offer; we had shared experiences and concerns and - with one exception in one interim - we spoke the same language. (In that exception, as the member aged, we managed with my readings and modest conversation in German.)
It was "easy" work.
The much much "harder" work was follow-up on visitors; contacting referrals; or talking with people in the community about life as a member of a Christian congregation. Ex-Catholics only wanted the Mass (which we could provide); disaffected Protestants wanted a youth group or big-time music; the lukewarmers were so "maybe-maybe not, perhaps someday" about faith that it was maddeningly frustrating.
More interesting were some of those who I thought would probably never join our church, for they could engage intellectually and I had a chance to "fix" some misconceptions or apologize for past treatment.
It usually "felt good" to be at community-wide events, hang with community personalities, engage in ecumenical worship at Thanksgiving or be the "presence" of the congregation at events around town like Memorial Day, Veterans' Day, or Fourth of July celebrations.
The town had a huge July 4th parade. I would walk the route the hour before the parade and see 2/3 of my members. Then I walked the route the other direction after the parade and got invited to two or three back-yard barbecues sometimes from non-members. Miss those days, I do.

Did you intend a meaning opposite to the words you've enclosed in scare quotes?
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