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Your Turn / Re: Male and Female
December 06, 2023, 10:46:18 AM
Quote from: David Garner on December 06, 2023, 10:07:32 AMAlso, as an aside, I deny that we are "by nature" spiritually blind, dead and enemies of God. I don't want to derail the thread with that discussion, but if that's true, then we cannot be saved, because either Christ assumed sin or He assumed a "nature" different from ours, and thus ours is still not healed.
"Most merciful God, we confess that we are by nature sinful and unclean..." is straight out of the Lutheran Service. Mr. Mundiger is correct.
Forum Blogs / Re: We're back!
September 02, 2023, 03:34:59 PM
Your Turn / Re: Lutheran schooling revival?
July 24, 2023, 05:29:49 PM
Quote from: passerby on July 24, 2023, 04:22:12 PM
I read this upbeat report on Catholic schools in First Things:
Is a similar phenomenon taking place in Lutheran schools?

YearNumber of Schools
Percent Loss25.35%
Your Turn / Re: Cardinal Stritch University Closing
April 18, 2023, 10:08:52 AM
Quote from: Dave Likeness on April 17, 2023, 06:19:11 PM
According to the U.S. Census there were no statistics available
for 1950 for the number of Blacks in Davenport, Iowa.

Perhaps you missed the 1950 Census data which I posted here. It includes data for "negros".
Your Turn / Re: Cardinal Stritch University Closing
April 17, 2023, 05:10:59 PM
Quote from: Michael Slusser on April 17, 2023, 04:29:56 PM

I'm curious: in 1950s Davenport Iowa about what percentage of the boys at your school or summer basball team were what would be called white? My guess is 90+%.


Far less, actually. According to the Census Bureau, the percentage of non-whites was 1.42%
Quote from: J. Thomas Shelley on October 11, 2022, 11:26:56 PM

An easy "rule of thumb" for calculating criterion #3 is assessed valuation (for property tax purposes) divided by 100 for monthly fair market value, then multiplied by 12 for annual figure.

I don't have any formula for calculating the "furnished" valuation.

And totally wrong. Assessed valuation is not the same as fair market value, often just 1/4 to 1/2 of market value.
Much better to use or (for example) for market value or for furnished values.
Quote from: racin_jason on June 16, 2022, 12:09:37 PM
It appears that Bishop Eaton is proceeding with a disciplinary hearing. Somehow this needs to happen around the churchwide assembly in August.

Can anyone recall how those proceedings are conducted? Who's there? Where will the location be? Are elected ELCA officials presiding or is it an employee of the denomination?

There haven't been many disciplinary hearings in the short life of the ELCA. I can only recall Rev. Bradley Schmeling in the Southeastern Synod over his same-sex relationship prior to 2009. Have there been any others? Or do ecclesiastical court proceedings go against being "inclusive"? :)

ELCA Constitution:
20.21.01. The churchwide Committee on Discipline shall consist of 24–36 members, half of whom should be rostered ministers (including at least two ministers of Word and Service) and half of whom should be laypersons, elected by the Churchwide Assembly for a term of six years. Each member will serve until a successor is elected, without consecutive re-election, and will serve as needed on a discipline hearing committee in any of the synods in this church.

20.21.02. The churchwide Committee of Hearing Officers shall consist of six to nine persons elected by the Church Council for a term of six years, each without consecutive re-election, to serve as needed on a discipline hearing committee in any of the synods of this church.
Your Turn / Re: Roe v. Wade overturned?
June 11, 2022, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on June 11, 2022, 02:59:22 PM
As for inflation, it happens. I doubt it’s anyone’s fault, it’s part of the whole “free market“ thing that you Republicans are supposed to honor.

It is clearly Biden's and Democrat's fault. (Yes, and a couple of Republican's) Anytime there is excess money in the financial system, there will be inflation, and when there is an extra $4.85 BILLION in the system, twice a normal year's budget, as Biden and cohorts have given us, there will be raging inflation. Couple that with the supply chain problems,  and it is not surprise we are where we are.
Your Turn / Re: Roe v. Wade overturned?
June 09, 2022, 12:33:50 PM
Quote from: Matt Hummel on June 09, 2022, 12:19:21 PM

Name a single Right Wing/Republican Presidential assassin. From Booth on down.

All the Left Wing bombings in the 60s and 70s.

All the original skyjackings

What happened on January 6 2021 was disgusting, and Trump lost. But that does not erase the long and illustrious history of Left wing political terror in this country.

Not to mention the burning and looting of multiple cities while calling for defunding of law enforcement.
Quote from: Richard Johnson on June 03, 2022, 08:39:38 PM
The resolution is a bit more complicated than that. It first asks that the bishop resign, but then says that if the bishop does not resign by the end of the assembly, the assembly petitions the committee on appeals to dismiss the bishop, and directs the synod executive committee to temporarily suspend the bishop (with compensation/benefits continuing). It also emphasizes that the resolution should not be construed as affirmation of Pastor Rabell-Gonzalez, whose ouster by the bishop was the flash point of the controversy.

They are voting now; it requires 2/3 and it is to be a secret written ballot, so it will take a while to count it.

And it doesn't have a ... chance.
Your Turn / Re: Congregation sued by ELCA
May 26, 2022, 11:16:18 PM
Quote from: J. Thomas Shelley on May 26, 2022, 09:42:05 PM
Established after 1987 or formerly LCA the Synod owns the property, held in trust by the congregation.

(Amazed I can remember these governing documents after 11 years)

Actually, you don't.

Congregations have always held title to the property, and so are the "owners". What you remember is that in the LCA and the Elca after 1987, there is a clause in their constitutions that, upon dissolution, any remaining property reverts to the synod.
Your Turn / Re: American Lutherans--Where Are We?
April 25, 2022, 04:01:06 PM
Quote from: Richard Johnson on April 25, 2022, 03:27:15 PM
Was Pr. Heinemeier the brother of Pr. James Heinemeier, who served in the Sierra Pacific Synod of the ELCA for many years?

Funny anecdote:
I tried to recruit John a couple of time to serve in Oakland, but he always turned it down. Jim told me it was because none of the congregations were in bad enough position for John to resurrect.
Your Turn / Re: American Lutherans--Where Are We?
April 25, 2022, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: Richard Johnson on April 25, 2022, 03:27:15 PM
Was Pr. Heinemeier the brother of Pr. James Heinemeier, who served in the Sierra Pacific Synod of the ELCA for many years?
Your Turn / Re: What Were They Thinking?
April 09, 2022, 09:58:22 PM
Quote from: Steven W Bohler on April 09, 2022, 08:12:21 PM
We do not own a radio station.  We purchase time between 8:00 and 9:00 AM on Sunday mornings.  I believe the Bible Baptist church is on before us and Trinity (ELCA) afterwards, but I could be wrong as I am kinda busy at that time.  I think the station charges us $125 for the roughly one hour we get.  I always say it is the best money we spend: LOTS of non-members listen (including many members of other churches, as they get ready for their own services later in the morning).  Shortly after I arrived in Crookston, I got a letter from a woman near the Canadian border who said if the weather cooperated, she listened to us weekly.  The radio station is now available via internet and so a few years back we had a former member and her husband listen north of the Arctic Circle where they were teaching Eskimo children.

Thanks you. Makes more sense.
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