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#1
Your Turn / Re: Israel-Hamas War
October 21, 2023, 09:05:24 AM
Quote from: John Mundinger on October 21, 2023, 09:00:50 AM
Quote from: peter_speckhard on October 20, 2023, 02:17:19 PMWhen someone is pointing a gun at you, you can try to negotiate.

Hamas would make the same argument.  I refuse to choose sides when both sides are wrong.

Hamas would kill you, rape your daughter, and burn your children alive, too, if given the chance.  "Saturday, then Sunday" is their creed.

Marshall Hahn
#2
Your Turn / Re: Israel-Hamas War
October 20, 2023, 05:20:10 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on October 19, 2023, 10:17:19 AMThe reporting on that incident is being rehash over and over and over again in journalism conversations as an example of the difficulties of the need to report what one knows now which may not be what one knows six hours from now.
It's not always incompetence.

It is either incompetence, lying, or pure propaganda.   I do not believe there was enough evidence to begin with to make it lying, and I am still hopeful that the reporters are not so enamored with the Hamas terrorists that they are intentionally propagandizing for them, so I am assuming it is incompetence in failing to take a measured approach in reporting on an incident with so little corroborating information available to them at the time - failing also, to identify the only source that was available as an entity controlled by Hamas.  Citing "Palestinians say" without noting that these are Hamas operatives is incredibly misleading.

Marshall Hahn
#3
Your Turn / Re: Israel-Hamas War
October 19, 2023, 07:37:14 AM
The New York Times had this headline on their website (which has since been changed):

"Israel strike kills hundreds in hospital, Palestinians say"
Almost every word in that headline is wrong:

Israel - It was not an Israeli missile, but a terrorist rocket
Strike - It was not an intentional strike, but a rocket misfire
Hundreds - The numbers killed were nowhere near that amount
In - The rocket landed in the parking lot outside the hospital
Hospital - The building itself was not hit and appears to have had minimal damage
Palestinians - It was Hamas who made the claims

This journalistic incompetence puts people's lives at risk by fanning the flames of outrage against an attack that never occurred.

Marshall Hahn
#4
Your Turn / Re: Israel-Hamas War
October 18, 2023, 03:41:52 PM
Quote from: David Garner on October 18, 2023, 02:45:12 PM
Quote from: Charles Austin on October 18, 2023, 02:25:21 PM"Favorite", Mr. Garner, just might mean what one thinks is correct as opposed to the errant noise out there.

"What one thinks" probably ought not be a factor when one claims to be reporting facts.

Your mileage may vary.

Especially when "what one thinks" has the potential to throw gasoline on a fire that is already burning out of control.  There is no excuse for the sloppy "reporting" that came out uncritically parroting Hamas talking points in the immediate aftermath of the explosion.  Why would they "think" this was correct without any real examination of the situation unless it is because it fits their preconceived notions of Israel's guilt?

Marshall Hahn
#5
Your Turn / Re: Israel-Hamas War
October 18, 2023, 10:35:15 AM
Israel has released overwhelming evidence that the explosion at the hospital resulted from a misfiring of a Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket, including intercepted conversation between Hamas terrorists:

https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1714539311914266931

and video of the rocket misfiring:

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1714403025136017784

It appears the rocket misfired and then fell onto the hospital parking lot creating the explosion and fire.   It also seems likely that the number of victims is far less than "500".  Each death is a tragedy, of course, but exaggerated numbers are also part of the propaganda war Hamas wages.  Unfortunately, the rush to judgment by numerous media outlets which immediately parroted Hamas' narrative about an "Israeli attack" has helped to fuel violent uprisings around the Arab world. 

Marshall Hahn
#6
Thanks for the clarification - "canonization" was the term I saw in the article I read.

Marshall Hahn
#7
Another interesting item in the article concerns the proposed canonization of Fathers Nicholas Khashe and Habib Khashe, hieromartyrs of the Antiochian Church.  Father Nicholas was killed during one of the general persecutions of Christians by the Ottoman Turks in 1917 and Father Habib was killed by a group of Muslim smugglers who encountered him on the border of Syria and Lebanon in 1948 , who tortured and killed him after discovering he was a Christian priest.  I think this adds another layer to the statement.

Marshall Hahn
#8
Your Turn / Re: Israel-Hamas War
October 16, 2023, 06:12:14 PM
Quote from: John Mundinger on October 16, 2023, 09:42:41 AM
Quote from: Marshall_Hahn on October 15, 2023, 05:39:17 PM
Quote from: John Mundinger on October 15, 2023, 07:46:43 AM
Quote from: Dan Fienen on October 14, 2023, 10:29:16 AMAnd how do you propose to make Hamas sad. Politely asking them to refrain from killing Jews and expecting them to comply?

Apparently, Israel's answer to that question is to kill a lot of Palestinian civilians.

Wow.  This has to be the clearest example of your blind, unquestioning prejudice against Israel. 

No, it really isn't.  It's just a fact.  Israel is pursuing Hamas with few constraints for "collateral damage" and, in the process, Israel is killing a lot of Palestinian civilians.  Even many Israeli citizens object.

Hamas has shown NO restraint in their desire to kill Israeli civilians.  In fact, killing Israeli civilians is an integral part of their operation and one of their chief objectives.  Israel, on the other hand, has shown multiple degrees of restraint in attempting to limit the "collateral damage" inflicted by their operations:  They have given notice to residents of buildings that are targeted for bombing; they have warned civilians to leave areas that are most likely to be attacked; they have delayed their ground assault to give people time to leave; they have targeted known and suspected sites where Hamas operates.  The greatest danger posed for the civilians in Gaza comes from Hamas who will not allow the civilians to get out of harm's way, but force them to stay at the point of a gun.  You may not agree with Israel's level of restraint, but it is simply false to suggest that Israel's intention is "to kill a lot of Palestinians civilians."  It is a horrible, horrible dilemma to be in, but it is one that has been created by Hamas, and for which they are responsible.  You are blinded by your prejudice to be unable to see this. 
In a larger context, I have heard it put this way:
What would happen if Israel got rid of all of their weaponry?  Answer:  Israeli Jews would cease to exist.
What would happen if the Palestinians got rid of all of their weaponry:  Answer:  There would be peace.

Marshall Hahn 
#9
He appears to be walking a fine line.  I notice there is no mention of Israel.
#10
Your Turn / Re: Israel-Hamas War
October 15, 2023, 05:39:17 PM
Quote from: John Mundinger on October 15, 2023, 07:46:43 AM
Quote from: Dan Fienen on October 14, 2023, 10:29:16 AMAnd how do you propose to make Hamas sad. Politely asking them to refrain from killing Jews and expecting them to comply?

Apparently, Israel's answer to that question is to kill a lot of Palestinian civilians.

Wow.  This has to be the clearest example of your blind, unquestioning prejudice against Israel.  Hamas is the one that has a history of targetting civilians as an essential part of their terrorist activity and of using their own people as human shields for their terrorists.  Israel has a history of warning civilians to leave areas they are planning to attack in an effort to limit the number of civilian casualities even if it limiits the scope of their fight against the terrorists.

Marshall Hahn
#11
Your Turn / Re: Bishop Eaton's take on the the conflict
October 13, 2023, 09:32:27 PM
It is a false dichotomy to see the issue as a choice between supporting Israel or supporting the Palestinians.  The real issue here is Hamas.  Over the course of several years, and by their own admission in their charter, Hamas has shown itself to be a savage, genocidal terrorist organization; which has been affirmed in unmistakable and horrendous ways by their actions on October 7. For years, Israel has attempted to limit Hamas' ability to act upon their stated intentions to destroy Israel.  Since October 7 it has become clear that limiting their ability to act will never be enough.  Nentanyahu has equated Hamas with Isis, and he is right.  Israel has come to the conclusion that Hamas must be destroyed.  The real question is how to do so while protecting the lives of the innocent - Palestinian and Israeli - as much as possible.  This will be incredibly difficult, but it is what Israel is committed to doing.  And I believe they are fully justified in doing so. 

Marshall Hahn
#12
Your Turn / Re: Israel-Hamas War
October 12, 2023, 06:20:58 PM
Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on October 12, 2023, 05:32:47 PM
Quote from: DCharlton on October 12, 2023, 04:51:17 PM
Quote from: John Mundinger on October 12, 2023, 04:17:03 PM
Quote from: David Garner on October 12, 2023, 04:04:38 PMAttempts to draw false equivalency are morally bankrupt to begin with.  This is the difference.

https://mediadc.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/2f8e3a0/2147483647/strip/true/crop/500x214+0+0/resize/645x276!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmediadc-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fe6%2Fb2%2F281929f74decabc075e1d00c5c3b%2Fisrael-hamas.jpg

Close, but no cigar.  2.3 million Palestinians are trapped in a ghetto.  Where in Gaza aren't a large number of no combatants, including babies??

There is no moral equivalence between Auschwitz and the bombing of German cities in WWII.  There is no moral equivalence between the kidnapping, rape, and massacre of civilians and the bombing of the Gaza Strip.  The Nazis were primarily responsible for the deaths of German civilians in WWII.  The neo-Nazis of Hamas will hold the primary responsibility for the deaths of civilians in the Gaza Strip.

Again, you keep talking about neo-Nazis, but you are the only one on this forum defending them.
Another problem is that there hasn't been verifiable evidence of Netanyahu's claims that women were raped and children were beheaded. A CNN report had a team look for such evidence and found none.

Careful - you are entering into "Holocaust denier" territory.

Marshall Hahn
#13
Your Turn / Re: Israel-Hamas War
October 12, 2023, 11:55:28 AM
Israel has said that as soon as the hostages are released the power, water, and gas will be restored.   Hamas has it within their power to have these things restored at any time.   You may disagree with Israel's tactics here, but this is not terrorism - the goal is not to murder innocent people, but to rescue innocent people.

Marshall Hahn
#14
Your Turn / Re: Dr. Roy Harrisville
August 11, 2023, 11:50:09 AM
Gerhard, Robert, and Jim

Anybody here seen my old friend Gerhard?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
He loved to speak of freedom, Jesus, and the cross;
I just looked around and he's gone.

Anybody here seen my old friend Robert?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
He helped us to think clearly about Father, Spirit, and Son;
I just looked around and he's gone.

Anybody here seen my old friend Jim?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
We loved to hear his stories, his brogue, and his laugh;
I just looked around and he's gone.

Didn't you love the things that they stood for?
Didn't they show how good the Lord is -
   to you and me -
   how we could be free -
   someday soon - it's going to be one day!

Anybody here seen my old friend Roy?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walking up over the hill,
With Gerhard, Robert, and Jim.

Marshall Hahn
#15
Your Turn / Re: Colorado is taking all the "Ls"
July 01, 2023, 01:06:48 PM
Quote from: Brian Stoffregen on July 01, 2023, 12:15:33 PM
Quote from: Marshall Hahn on July 01, 2023, 08:04:07 AM
Quote from: Charles Austin on June 30, 2023, 11:58:49 PM
Silly me. I thought "conservatives" didn't want the courts setting social policy.

???  Gorsuch's explanation makes it quite clear that the decision is a matter of adhering to the constitutional guarantees of free speech which override the attempts of Colorado to implement a social policy that would inhibit those guarantees.  This "classical liberal" - who champions freedom of thought, speech, and association - applauds this well-reasoned decision.


The other side argues that it now makes it legal for a public business to discriminate against a protected group of people.

What "public business"?  Ms. Smith is the owner of a private business.  If you mean a private business that is open to the public, you should be more circumspect in your language. There are all sorts of situations in which a private business can refuse service to certain people.  The example of a church refusing to serve communion to a Hindu, a person from a protected class, comes to mind.  The issue is whether in this situation such a practice by this private business can be prohibited.  The majority opinion was that doing so would compell Ms. Smith to use her artistic talents to express opinions she strongly opposes, and would, therefore be a case of compellng speech, which would violate her free speech rights.

Marshall Hahn
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